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Gill Halendt · Mar 21, 2012, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Go for it if you feel like doing it. Keep in mind that most HoM rewards will likely retain little to no "prestige" (if there's any...) once the game is launched and new rewards to be obtained in the new game are available.

Daesu · Mar 21, 2012, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Hmmm, maybe because you can fill/max the HoM Honor monument with as few as 20 maxed titles, allowing you to avoid having to max some of the longer, grindier titles.

Lets see, you need 40 statues in max honor to get 50/50. If you don't count any max pvp titles or account-wide titles, I counted 14 of those statues to be non-title or non-maxed title statues. This means you still need 26 maxed titles for 50/50, which allows you to skip things like the 4 cartographer titles compared to GWAMM and that's about it.

Since many titles synergize with one another, you might as well go for GWAMM if you are aiming for 50/50. To me, the bigger difference is, to get 50/50, you don't need to get all your needed titles on 1 character so it is less boring.

Nerel · Mar 21, 2012, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Lets see, you need 40 statues in max honor to get 50/50. If you don't count any max pvp titles or account-wide titles, I counted 14 of those statues to be non-title or non-maxed title statues. This means you still need 26 maxed titles for 50/50, which allows you to skip things like the 4 cartographer titles compared to GWAMM and that's about it.

Since many titles synergize with one another, you might as well go for GWAMM if you are aiming for 50/50. To me, the bigger difference is, to get 50/50, you don't need to get all your needed titles on 1 character so it is less boring.

Non Max titles that count for Honor.

Champion
Commander
Skillz
Gladiator
Hero
Kurzick
Luxon
Fortune
Misfortune
Zaishen
Codex

Non titles that count

Hero x3
Conqueror x6

Looks like 20 to me.

agrios · Mar 21, 2012, 06:34 PM // 18:34

A Full HoM will surpass GW1, GWAMM will not.

I'd stick with 50/50.

Daesu · Mar 21, 2012, 06:43 PM // 18:43

@Nerel:

I ignored the pvp stuff and maxed account-wide title statues because those are harder to get (unless you enjoy pvp). These are the 14 easier-to-get non-title or non-maxed title statues:

Eternal Savior of the Kurzicks (only r4 needed)
Eternal Savior of the Luxons (only r4 needed)
Eternal Fortune (only r2 needed)
Eternal Misfortune (only r2 needed)
Eternal Hero of Tyria
Eternal Hero of Cantha
Eternal Hero of Elona
Eternal Conqueror of Sorrow's Furnace
Eternal Conqueror of the Deep
Eternal Conqueror of Urgoz's Warren
Eternal Conqueror of the Fissure of Woe
Eternal Conqueror of the Domain of Anguish
Eternal Conqueror of the Underworld
Eternal Zaishen Supporter (can be obtained without pvp) (only r3 needed)

Assuming you got all these 14 statues, you still need 26 more to max Honor in HoM. The maxed title statues are left. These are the typical ones:

3 misc titles:
Eternal Defender of Ascalon
Eternal Survivor
Eternal Master of the North

2 LS+SS titles:
Eternal Lightbringer
Eternal Spearmarshal

4 EOTN allegiance titles:
Eternal Bookah
Eternal Delver
Eternal Slayer
Eternal Ebon Vanguard Agent

7 Guardian/Protector titles:
Eternal Guardian of Tyria
Eternal Protector of Tyria
Eternal Guardian of Cantha
Eternal Protector of Cantha
Eternal Guardian of Elona
Eternal Protector of Elona
Eternal Legendary Guardian

4 VQ titles:
Eternal Tyrian Vanquisher
Eternal Canthan Vanquisher
Eternal Elonian Vanquisher
Eternal Legendary Vanquisher

4 skill hunters titles:
Eternal Tyrian Skill Hunter
Eternal Canthan Skill Hunter
Eternal Elonian Skill Hunter
Eternal Legendary Skill Hunter

Total 24 titles. 24 + 14 = 38. Get 2 more cons title statues:

Eternal Ale-Hound
Eternal Party Animal

Now you have maxed your Honor in HoM with 26 title statues. All you needed to get GWAMM from there is to max your 4 Cartographer titles to reach 30 titles.

Since titles synergize, you probably already get 90+% in your Cartographer titles after getting your VQ titles anyway.

Pyrthas · Mar 21, 2012, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by agrios

A Full HoM will surpass GW1, GWAMM will not.

I'd stick with 50/50.

What do you mean by "surpass"? If you have GWAMM in GW, you'll be able to display it as your title in GW2. (This is mentioned in the OP.) That's about the same as being able to display Champion of the Gods, I think.

Fay Vert · Mar 21, 2012, 07:56 PM // 19:56

50/50 is really easy compared to GWAMM. I don't care about the prestige or how many others have it, I was a lot happier getting GWAMM than 50/50 so GWAMM all the way.

recon54 · Mar 21, 2012, 08:17 PM // 20:17

GWAMM is definitely more difficult than 50/50 because you are always working on 50/50 no matter which character you are using because it is account based not character based like GWAMM is. The only time GWAMM is account based is when you are getting account based titles like any PvP title or Lucky/Unlucky or Treasure Hunter or Wisdom.

Daesu · Mar 21, 2012, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

50/50 is really easy compared to GWAMM. I don't care about the prestige or how many others have it, I was a lot happier getting GWAMM than 50/50 so GWAMM all the way.

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Originally Posted by recon54

GWAMM is definitely more difficult than 50/50 because you are always working on 50/50 no matter which character you are using because it is account based not character based like GWAMM is. The only time GWAMM is account based is when you are getting account based titles like any PvP title or Lucky/Unlucky or Treasure Hunter or Wisdom.

I dont see why getting a set of maxed titles on different characters is considered easier than getting the same on one single character. Less boring perhaps but certainly not easier because having them on different characters means you can lose out on title synergies.

Like I have said above, if you don't count the pvp titles and account-wide maxed titles, it is only 4 maxed titles difference between GWAMM and maxed Honor. In other words, it is only a matter of maxing your 90+% cartographer on all 3 continents to 100% difference in effort. Effort-wise they are almost the same.

However, 50/50 is not just a test of determination but also a test of the ability to gain great wealth in the game. This shows because there are some GWAMMs that are still not 50/50. Overall, I think 50/50 makes a more well-rounded player since you can get GWAMM without even visiting a single elite area or maybe just Slavers NM.

BenjZee · Mar 21, 2012, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I knew a player from my guild started a year ago and is now 50/50 and almost gwamm, so i think its deffinatly easy to ahold of titles on your own in no time. Heroe's and Zquests are the biggest help. Peresonally i didnt find any of them "THAT" difficult ive i found i had most my titles quite high up over the years anyway.
I have maxed both however the only issue i see is that people are forcing themselves to play gw1 just for gw2 cosmetic changes. They need to understand the items in gw2 mean nothing special and they don't make you better than others.

Da Kenster · Mar 21, 2012, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by drkn

I got both, but the funny thing is that i'll probably swap them for any new GW2 title i get as soon as possible.

Exactly. These titles will only be used until something new and better comes along and people will use that instead.

I want my first new title to be "Little Bunny Fufu", obtained by spamming the jump key x number of times on release day, or some other nonsense.

maraxusofk · Mar 21, 2012, 10:56 PM // 22:56

I could get GWAMM if i just finished my vanquishing and legendary survivor, but I'm bored of this game and don't want to put up with the grind.

Gondrakif · Mar 21, 2012, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Assuming you got all these 14 statues, you still need 26 more to max Honor in HoM. The maxed title statues are left. These are the typical ones:

3 misc titles:
Eternal Defender of Ascalon
Eternal Survivor
Eternal Master of the North

2 LS+SS titles:
Eternal Lightbringer
Eternal Spearmarshal

4 EOTN allegiance titles:
Eternal Bookah
Eternal Delver
Eternal Slayer
Eternal Ebon Vanguard Agent

7 Guardian/Protector titles:
Eternal Guardian of Tyria
Eternal Protector of Tyria
Eternal Guardian of Cantha
Eternal Protector of Cantha
Eternal Guardian of Elona
Eternal Protector of Elona
Eternal Legendary Guardian

4 VQ titles:
Eternal Tyrian Vanquisher
Eternal Canthan Vanquisher
Eternal Elonian Vanquisher
Eternal Legendary Vanquisher

4 skill hunters titles:
Eternal Tyrian Skill Hunter
Eternal Canthan Skill Hunter
Eternal Elonian Skill Hunter
Eternal Legendary Skill Hunter

Total 24 titles. 24 + 14 = 38. Get 2 more cons title statues:

Eternal Ale-Hound
Eternal Party Animal

Now you have maxed your Honor in HoM with 26 title statues. All you needed to get GWAMM from there is to max your 4 Cartographer titles to reach 30 titles.

Since titles synergize, you probably already get 90+% in your Cartographer titles after getting your VQ titles anyway.

Your mistake is thinking that someone would pick vanquisher over cartographer. When going for the 26 max titles (50/50 hom) people will choose the easy ones aka all except vanquishers. Cartographer in nm is done in 1-2 days with texmod and has synergy with all the other titles. In the same time frame you can get at most half a vq title, that makes picking cartographer a no-brainer. So after you get your hom titles there is quite a bit of work left (121 vanquishes) for gwamm.

Daesu · Mar 22, 2012, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Gondrakif

Your mistake is thinking that someone would pick vanquisher over cartographer. When going for the 26 max titles (50/50 hom) people will choose the easy ones aka all except vanquishers. Cartographer in nm is done in 1-2 days with texmod and has synergy with all the other titles. In the same time frame you can get at most half a vq title, that makes picking cartographer a no-brainer. So after you get your hom titles there is quite a bit of work left (121 vanquishes) for gwamm.

I choose vanquisher over cartographer because I hate edge scraping personally so I got my vanquisher title a lot faster than cartographer. I think vanquisher is easy and certainly more enjoyable but to each his own. It doesn't matter if you choose cartographer over vanquisher because my point remains unchanged. You still would need 26 maxed titles for maxed Honor without pvp titles.

Master Archer Nente · Mar 23, 2012, 06:44 AM // 06:44

I believe that they are both prestigious in their own way. I have GWAMM and 50/50 and I will probably display them both on different characters.
I think the distinction between them is that 50/50 required you to spend money on miniatures, armor, weapons, hero armors and get a bunch of titles.
And GWAMM means you spent a lot of time playing through the various parts of the game.
I also believe that if you aim for 50/50 you might aswell get GWAMM along with it since 50/50 usually gets you 20-25+ titles on a character (assuming you did those titles on one character)

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I choose vanquisher over cartographer because I hate edge scraping personally so I got my vanquisher title a lot faster than cartographer. I think vanquisher is easy and certainly more enjoyable but to each his own. It doesn't matter if you choose cartographer over vanquisher because my point remains unchanged. You still would need 26 maxed titles for maxed Honor without pvp titles.

I'm the complete opposite. After getting my Legendary Vanquisher I never want to vanquish again, yet I love cartographer and have 3 GMC of Elona, 2 of tyria, 1 of cantha and am still working on getting more. (I've also done a few for friends) Guess it just depends on what you enjoy about this game.

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Originally Posted by Wbrkr

Makes me wonder why anyone bothers if they wont use the title.

Personally, even if I won't wear it... I want to have it.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Actually it gets you 26 maxed titles to be 50/50, so you only need 4 more to be GWAMM, but with title synergies the 4 are easy to obtain.
I like vanquishing because I enjoy killing monsters, edge scraping in a game just doesn't appeal to me.

Great thing about this game... you can do what you like.

Eh it can be less if you are a PvP player. If you get glad, codex, champion, and hero into HoM it becomes only 22 for 50/50.... but this doesn't apply for most people.

Daesu · Mar 23, 2012, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by Master Archer Nente

I believe that they are both prestigious in their own way. I have GWAMM and 50/50 and I will probably display them both on different characters.
I think the distinction between them is that 50/50 required you to spend money on miniatures, armor, weapons, hero armors and get a bunch of titles.
And GWAMM means you spent a lot of time playing through the various parts of the game.
I also believe that if you aim for 50/50 you might aswell get GWAMM along with it since 50/50 usually gets you 20-25+ titles on a character (assuming you did those titles on one character)

I'm the complete opposite. After getting my Legendary Vanquisher I never want to vanquish again, yet I love cartographer and have 3 GMC of Elona, 2 of tyria, 1 of cantha and am still working on getting more. (I've also done a few for friends) Guess it just depends on what you enjoy about this game.

Actually it gets you at least 26 maxed titles to be 50/50 with only 1 pvp statue (e.g. Zaishen), so you only need 4 more to be GWAMM, but with title synergies the 4 are easy to obtain.

I like vanquishing because I enjoy killing monsters, edge scraping in a game just doesn't appeal to me.

Mar 21, 2012, 06:43 PM // 18:43	#25
Daesu Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2008	@Nerel: I ignored the pvp stuff and maxed account-wide title statues because those are harder to get (unless you enjoy pvp). These are the 14 easier-to-get non-title or non-maxed title statues: Eternal Savior of the Kurzicks (only r4 needed) Eternal Savior of the Luxons (only r4 needed) Eternal Fortune (only r2 needed) Eternal Misfortune (only r2 needed) Eternal Hero of Tyria Eternal Hero of Cantha Eternal Hero of Elona Eternal Conqueror of Sorrow's Furnace Eternal Conqueror of the Deep Eternal Conqueror of Urgoz's Warren Eternal Conqueror of the Fissure of Woe Eternal Conqueror of the Domain of Anguish Eternal Conqueror of the Underworld Eternal Zaishen Supporter (can be obtained without pvp) (only r3 needed) Assuming you got all these 14 statues, you still need 26 more to max Honor in HoM. The maxed title statues are left. These are the typical ones: 3 misc titles: Eternal Defender of Ascalon Eternal Survivor Eternal Master of the North 2 LS+SS titles: Eternal Lightbringer Eternal Spearmarshal 4 EOTN allegiance titles: Eternal Bookah Eternal Delver Eternal Slayer Eternal Ebon Vanguard Agent 7 Guardian/Protector titles: Eternal Guardian of Tyria Eternal Protector of Tyria Eternal Guardian of Cantha Eternal Protector of Cantha Eternal Guardian of Elona Eternal Protector of Elona Eternal Legendary Guardian 4 VQ titles: Eternal Tyrian Vanquisher Eternal Canthan Vanquisher Eternal Elonian Vanquisher Eternal Legendary Vanquisher 4 skill hunters titles: Eternal Tyrian Skill Hunter Eternal Canthan Skill Hunter Eternal Elonian Skill Hunter Eternal Legendary Skill Hunter Total 24 titles. 24 + 14 = 38. Get 2 more cons title statues: Eternal Ale-Hound Eternal Party Animal Now you have maxed your Honor in HoM with 26 title statues. All you needed to get GWAMM from there is to max your 4 Cartographer titles to reach 30 titles. Since titles synergize, you probably already get 90+% in your Cartographer titles after getting your VQ titles anyway. Last edited by Daesu; Mar 21, 2012 at 07:04 PM // 19:04..

Mar 21, 2012, 03:26 PM // 15:26	#21
Gill Halendt Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008	Go for it if you feel like doing it. Keep in mind that most HoM rewards will likely retain little to no "prestige" (if there's any...) once the game is launched and new rewards to be obtained in the new game are available.

Mar 21, 2012, 06:34 PM // 18:34	#24
agrios Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Location: South America Guild: Naked Stalkers of America[Nude] Profession: W/	A Full HoM will surpass GW1, GWAMM will not. I'd stick with 50/50.

Mar 21, 2012, 07:56 PM // 19:56	#27
Fay Vert Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/	50/50 is really easy compared to GWAMM. I don't care about the prestige or how many others have it, I was a lot happier getting GWAMM than 50/50 so GWAMM all the way.

Mar 21, 2012, 08:17 PM // 20:17	#28
recon54 Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Necros Mausoleum Profession: W/	GWAMM is definitely more difficult than 50/50 because you are always working on 50/50 no matter which character you are using because it is account based not character based like GWAMM is. The only time GWAMM is account based is when you are getting account based titles like any PvP title or Lucky/Unlucky or Treasure Hunter or Wisdom.

Mar 21, 2012, 09:52 PM // 21:52	#30
BenjZee Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: The Overacheivers [Club] Profession: Mo/	I knew a player from my guild started a year ago and is now 50/50 and almost gwamm, so i think its deffinatly easy to ahold of titles on your own in no time. Heroe's and Zquests are the biggest help. Peresonally i didnt find any of them "THAT" difficult ive i found i had most my titles quite high up over the years anyway. I have maxed both however the only issue i see is that people are forcing themselves to play gw1 just for gw2 cosmetic changes. They need to understand the items in gw2 mean nothing special and they don't make you better than others.

Mar 21, 2012, 10:56 PM // 22:56	#32
maraxusofk Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, UC Berkeley Guild: International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF] Profession: W/	I could get GWAMM if i just finished my vanquishing and legendary survivor, but I'm bored of this game and don't want to put up with the grind.